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	<title>Comments on: Building the YUI Browser History Manager</title>
	<link>http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/02/21/browser-history-manager/</link>
	<description>News and Artilces about Designing and Developing with Yahoo! Libraries.</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Javascript Front Controller for AJAX Applications &#124; Jackson Miller</title>
		<link>http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/02/21/browser-history-manager/#comment-410988</link>
		<dc:creator>Javascript Front Controller for AJAX Applications &#124; Jackson Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 06:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/02/21/browser-history-manager/#comment-410988</guid>
		<description>[...] YUI solution to the back button is much more complex than I initially thought (then I found this really great post about what it took to create it). Hopefully I didn&#8217;t think about that because it is late. Anyway, I don&#8217;t want to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] YUI solution to the back button is much more complex than I initially thought (then I found this really great post about what it took to create it). Hopefully I didn&#8217;t think about that because it is late. Anyway, I don&#8217;t want to [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: 갸릉갸릉-rediaSpace &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ajax 뒤로가기 완전 해결 라이브러리-dsHistory</title>
		<link>http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/02/21/browser-history-manager/#comment-297337</link>
		<dc:creator>갸릉갸릉-rediaSpace &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ajax 뒤로가기 완전 해결 라이브러리-dsHistory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 09:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/02/21/browser-history-manager/#comment-297337</guid>
		<description>[...] YUI Browser History Manager, Julien Lecomte [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] YUI Browser History Manager, Julien Lecomte [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Presenting dsHistory: Another Way to Revisit the Past debugger;</title>
		<link>http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/02/21/browser-history-manager/#comment-282894</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Presenting dsHistory: Another Way to Revisit the Past debugger;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/02/21/browser-history-manager/#comment-282894</guid>
		<description>[...] support. Since it&#8217;s still pretty new, I highly recommend you take a good look at Lecomte&#8217;s YUI post to see how he built it and understand the choices JS developers have right now as well as how he [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] support. Since it&#8217;s still pretty new, I highly recommend you take a good look at Lecomte&#8217;s YUI post to see how he built it and understand the choices JS developers have right now as well as how he [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Administrator</title>
		<link>http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/02/21/browser-history-manager/#comment-216419</link>
		<dc:creator>Administrator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/02/21/browser-history-manager/#comment-216419</guid>
		<description>@&lt;a&gt;http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/02/21/browser-history-manager/#comment-216276&#62;Mike&lt;/a&gt;

My colleague Julien can answer for himself, of course, but I'll jump in right now and say that I agree with you. 

In fact, the sane guidance you're offering is what Julien provides to teams across the company. Knowing when *not* to do something is just as important as when to do something.

Thanks for the clarifying question.
Nate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@<a>http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/02/21/browser-history-manager/#comment-216276&#038;gt;Mike</a></p>
<p>My colleague Julien can answer for himself, of course, but I&#8217;ll jump in right now and say that I agree with you. </p>
<p>In fact, the sane guidance you&#8217;re offering is what Julien provides to teams across the company. Knowing when *not* to do something is just as important as when to do something.</p>
<p>Thanks for the clarifying question.<br />
Nate</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/02/21/browser-history-manager/#comment-216276</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 07:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/02/21/browser-history-manager/#comment-216276</guid>
		<description>I just read this post and I wondered about this: you are part of the "DHTML Evangelist team, a group that provides architectural assistance to Yahoo! developers on the design and implementation of rich interactions in the browser."

Are you seriously evangelizing AJAX for regular navigation of webSITES? If so, I think you and/or your team are on the absolute wrong track, because navigation of websites is already solved, has been for 10+ years.

It's for state changes in single page webAPPLICATIONS that we need to have custom history, because this kind of 'navigation' is not tracked by the browser. 

It comes down to the difference between websites  and webapplication, and I hope your team will not convince developers to create complicated navigation using javascript when the regular navigation is sufficient. The following quote is where I think the mistake is made (the simple website is not a rich application):

"Only recently did I find myself impacted in my own work by the absence of a good solution for managing navigation history and session state in a rich application. At the time, I was working on a very simple web site for my father’s new venture."

So, the history manager is great and needed, but don't advocate its use for regular navigation, emphasize the use in webapplications.

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read this post and I wondered about this: you are part of the &#8220;DHTML Evangelist team, a group that provides architectural assistance to Yahoo! developers on the design and implementation of rich interactions in the browser.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you seriously evangelizing AJAX for regular navigation of webSITES? If so, I think you and/or your team are on the absolute wrong track, because navigation of websites is already solved, has been for 10+ years.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s for state changes in single page webAPPLICATIONS that we need to have custom history, because this kind of &#8216;navigation&#8217; is not tracked by the browser. </p>
<p>It comes down to the difference between websites  and webapplication, and I hope your team will not convince developers to create complicated navigation using javascript when the regular navigation is sufficient. The following quote is where I think the mistake is made (the simple website is not a rich application):</p>
<p>&#8220;Only recently did I find myself impacted in my own work by the absence of a good solution for managing navigation history and session state in a rich application. At the time, I was working on a very simple web site for my father’s new venture.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, the history manager is great and needed, but don&#8217;t advocate its use for regular navigation, emphasize the use in webapplications.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Don&#8217;t break the back button &#171; Rowan Simpson</title>
		<link>http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/02/21/browser-history-manager/#comment-165385</link>
		<dc:creator>Don&#8217;t break the back button &#171; Rowan Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 09:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/02/21/browser-history-manager/#comment-165385</guid>
		<description>[...] I wrote recently that this is one of the unsolved problems with applications that use a lot of AJAX. Well, Julien Lecomte from the Yahoo! User Interface team has come up with a possible solution that he&#8217;s calling Browser History Manager. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I wrote recently that this is one of the unsolved problems with applications that use a lot of AJAX. Well, Julien Lecomte from the Yahoo! User Interface team has come up with a possible solution that he&#8217;s calling Browser History Manager. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Dynamic History - Implementando &#171; Bernardo Rufino</title>
		<link>http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/02/21/browser-history-manager/#comment-137848</link>
		<dc:creator>Dynamic History - Implementando &#171; Bernardo Rufino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2007 04:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/02/21/browser-history-manager/#comment-137848</guid>
		<description>[...] Building the YUI Browser History Manager [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jamnan</title>
		<link>http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/02/21/browser-history-manager/#comment-93836</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 13:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/02/21/browser-history-manager/#comment-93836</guid>
		<description>It is so strange that the paragraph "After reading David Bloom's post on using document.body.scrollTop ... not that it sh" got clip off under IE6. Ok in FF. You may want to know since you are talking about x-browser support here...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is so strange that the paragraph &#8220;After reading David Bloom&#8217;s post on using document.body.scrollTop &#8230; not that it sh&#8221; got clip off under IE6. Ok in FF. You may want to know since you are talking about x-browser support here&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Копка "Назад" и Аякс. &#171; О PHP и о жизни&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/02/21/browser-history-manager/#comment-93080</link>
		<dc:creator>Копка "Назад" и Аякс. &#171; О PHP и о жизни&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/02/21/browser-history-manager/#comment-93080</guid>
		<description>[...] YUI Browser History Manager, Julien Lecomte [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] YUI Browser History Manager, Julien Lecomte [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: dsHistory: Another Way to Revisit the Past &#187; D&#8217; Technology Weblog:&#160;Technology, Software, Hardware, Internet, Web, Google, AdSense, Microsoft, Yahoo, WordPress, Gadgets, Fashion</title>
		<link>http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/02/21/browser-history-manager/#comment-92834</link>
		<dc:creator>dsHistory: Another Way to Revisit the Past &#187; D&#8217; Technology Weblog:&#160;Technology, Software, Hardware, Internet, Web, Google, AdSense, Microsoft, Yahoo, WordPress, Gadgets, Fashion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 21:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/02/21/browser-history-manager/#comment-92834</guid>
		<description>[...] YUI Browser History Manager, Julien Lecomte [...]</description>
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