Comments on: YUI Theater — Doug Geoffray: “From the Mouth of a Screenreader” http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/03/28/video-geoffray/ News and Artilces about Designing and Developing with Yahoo! Libraries. Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:27:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: A Peek Under the Hood of YUI’s DataTable Control in 2.5.0 » Yahoo! User Interface Blog http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/03/28/video-geoffray/#comment-311806 A Peek Under the Hood of YUI’s DataTable Control in 2.5.0 » Yahoo! User Interface Blog Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:25:49 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/03/28/video-geoffray/#comment-311806 [...] The scrollability feature, which was too fragile in previous releases, warranted a markup overhaul to give DataTable a more solid foundation to support fixed-header scrolling plus horizontal scrolling. Our challenge was to achieve a stable xy-scrolling mechanism while remaining accessible to screenreaders. (Screenreader software, which assists blind or partially sighted users, is good at handling <table> elements and their contents; it doesn’t do well with tabular data that’s marked up in other ways [such as in <div>s]. For a general introduction to screenreaders, check out this YUI Theater video.) [...] […] The scrollability feature, which was too fragile in previous releases, warranted a markup overhaul to give DataTable a more solid foundation to support fixed-header scrolling plus horizontal scrolling. Our challenge was to achieve a stable xy-scrolling mechanism while remaining accessible to screenreaders. (Screenreader software, which assists blind or partially sighted users, is good at handling <table> elements and their contents; it doesn’t do well with tabular data that’s marked up in other ways [such as in <div>s]. For a general introduction to screenreaders, check out this YUI Theater video.) […]

]]> By: Ajax and Tecnology News » Blog Archive » YUI Theater — Karo Caran and Victor Tsaran: “Introduction to Screen Magnifiers” http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/03/28/video-geoffray/#comment-258942 Ajax and Tecnology News » Blog Archive » YUI Theater — Karo Caran and Victor Tsaran: “Introduction to Screen Magnifiers” Fri, 14 Dec 2007 15:27:40 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/03/28/video-geoffray/#comment-258942 [...] YUI Theater — Doug Geoffray: “From the Mouth of a Screenreader” [...] […] YUI Theater — Doug Geoffray: “From the Mouth of a Screenreader” […]

]]> By: Justin Harford http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/03/28/video-geoffray/#comment-257168 Justin Harford Wed, 12 Dec 2007 06:47:17 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/03/28/video-geoffray/#comment-257168 I am a blind user who just watched this. Was curious what people outside of the blind community were saying about accessibility and screen readers. I noticed the first comment before I watched the half on web accessibility. Not sure why he was refusing to explain what a web developer could do to make a screenreader access a page. As far as web access goes, it is all in the coding of html. I warn you that I don't really know html, but I am familiar with markup from my use of LaTeX. Tagging an html document with headings I think it might be, etc, is really all a developer needs to know. I expect that web developers are familiar enough with html to know about tags. Anyway, you need not concern yourself with what the screenreader is doing. Don't worry about DOMs, or MSAA or any of that. It's all in the code. Web building software like dreamweaver or iWeb does not put tags in the actual code. Thus, websites made by such means may not work as smoothly if the creater did not manually go into the code to insert the html tags. I would also like to note that apple do have a legitimate screen reader, but apple accessibility, at least in terms of system accessibility, is different and better because they have a stronger means of making developers comply with Apple Active Accessibility standards. LOL. Of course the blind civil rights machine is fueled by companies like his. So, I won't say too much more about the economic motivations behind his comments on VoiceOver. Justin I am a blind user who just watched this. Was curious what people outside of the blind community were saying about accessibility and screen readers.

I noticed the first comment before I watched the half on web accessibility. Not sure why he was refusing to explain what a web developer could do to make a screenreader access a page.

As far as web access goes, it is all in the coding of html. I warn you that I don’t really know html, but I am familiar with markup from my use of LaTeX. Tagging an html document with headings I think it might be, etc, is really all a developer needs to know. I expect that web developers are familiar enough with html to know about tags.

Anyway, you need not concern yourself with what the screenreader is doing. Don’t worry about DOMs, or MSAA or any of that. It’s all in the code.

Web building software like dreamweaver or iWeb does not put tags in the actual code. Thus, websites made by such means may not work as smoothly if the creater did not manually go into the code to insert the html tags.

I would also like to note that apple do have a legitimate screen reader, but apple accessibility, at least in terms of system accessibility, is different and better because they have a stronger means of making developers comply with Apple Active Accessibility standards.

LOL. Of course the blind civil rights machine is fueled by companies like his. So, I won’t say too much more about the economic motivations behind his comments on VoiceOver.

Justin

]]> By: All in a days work… http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/03/28/video-geoffray/#comment-160289 All in a days work… Sun, 22 Jul 2007 21:26:33 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/03/28/video-geoffray/#comment-160289 [...] From the Mouth of a Screenreader covers a lot of ground related to how screen readers have evolved on the desktop Share and Enjoy:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. [...] […] From the Mouth of a Screenreader covers a lot of ground related to how screen readers have evolved on the desktop Share and Enjoy:These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages. […]

]]> By: Darrell Shandrow http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/03/28/video-geoffray/#comment-158835 Darrell Shandrow Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:26:03 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/03/28/video-geoffray/#comment-158835 Though the accessibility efforts here are appreciated, we also need to get down to the fundamentals, such as Yahoo! making their visual only CAPTCHA accessible! Please, everyone, sign the following petition: http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?yabvipma&1 Though the accessibility efforts here are appreciated, we also need to get down to the fundamentals, such as Yahoo! making their visual only CAPTCHA accessible! Please, everyone, sign the following petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?yabvipma&1

]]> By: John S. Britsios http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/03/28/video-geoffray/#comment-134368 John S. Britsios Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:19:17 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/03/28/video-geoffray/#comment-134368 Thank you for the excellent screen readers demonstrations. I watched the part one video, and now this one. Excellent job! So, lets go ahead, to make the web accessible for all! Thank you for the excellent screen readers demonstrations. I watched the part one video, and now this one. Excellent job!

So, lets go ahead, to make the web accessible for all!

]]> By: YUI Theater — Victor Tsaran: “Introduction to Screen Readers” » Yahoo! User Interface Blog http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/03/28/video-geoffray/#comment-114640 YUI Theater — Victor Tsaran: “Introduction to Screen Readers” » Yahoo! User Interface Blog Tue, 15 May 2007 04:58:47 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/03/28/video-geoffray/#comment-114640 [...] YUI Theater — Doug Geoffray: “From the Mouth of a Screenreader” [...] […] YUI Theater — Doug Geoffray: “From the Mouth of a Screenreader” […]

]]> By: tedd http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/03/28/video-geoffray/#comment-80548 tedd Sat, 31 Mar 2007 13:16:50 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/03/28/video-geoffray/#comment-80548 Hi: Listened to it all and can appreciate the problems screen readers have, but still came away with no clue as to how a web developer can make a site more accessible. Thanks anyway. tedd Hi:

Listened to it all and can appreciate the problems screen readers have, but still came away with no clue as to how a web developer can make a site more accessible.

Thanks anyway.

tedd

]]> By: ArtLung Blog » Daily Links http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/03/28/video-geoffray/#comment-79346 ArtLung Blog » Daily Links Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:22:37 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/03/28/video-geoffray/#comment-79346 [...] YUI Theater — Doug Geoffray: “From the Mouth of a Screenreader” » Yahoo! User Interface Blog (tags: accessibility video webdev) [...] […] YUI Theater — Doug Geoffray: “From the Mouth of a Screenreader” » Yahoo! User Interface Blog (tags: accessibility video webdev) […]

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