Comments on: An inside look at the Pattern Library http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/12/07/pattern-library-brown-bag/ News and Artilces about Designing and Developing with Yahoo! Libraries. Thu, 07 Aug 2008 07:36:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: jay a morgan http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/12/07/pattern-library-brown-bag/#comment-281939 jay a morgan Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:16:28 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/12/07/pattern-library-brown-bag/#comment-281939 xian, as someone who sought the Y! pattern library team leads past and present to learn from, i'm glad to see you sharing more about it. we talked about a pattern camp, and i think a lot of us would dig that. as we get towards launching our pattern library, the insights from you, erin, matt, and bill gave us an advantage. the hidden feats are understanding workflow and how your team processes that. and good job on taking the punches by turning the other cheek. corporate initiatives either make you bitter or better. happy to call myself a pattern library curator, jay xian, as someone who sought the Y! pattern library team leads past and present to learn from, i’m glad to see you sharing more about it. we talked about a pattern camp, and i think a lot of us would dig that. as we get towards launching our pattern library, the insights from you, erin, matt, and bill gave us an advantage. the hidden feats are understanding workflow and how your team processes that.

and good job on taking the punches by turning the other cheek. corporate initiatives either make you bitter or better.

happy to call myself a pattern library curator,
jay

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]]> By: Dylan http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/12/07/pattern-library-brown-bag/#comment-256860 Dylan Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:49:09 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/12/07/pattern-library-brown-bag/#comment-256860 Good god! Way to roll with the punches, at least you're contributing something. I just find it so brutal for anonymous people to bite your head off for trying to share some knowledge and insight. Thanks for posting and updating the pattern library. Good god!

Way to roll with the punches, at least you’re contributing something. I just find it so brutal for anonymous people to bite your head off for trying to share some knowledge and insight. Thanks for posting and updating the pattern library.

]]> By: Victor Lombardi http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/12/07/pattern-library-brown-bag/#comment-256109 Victor Lombardi Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:30:22 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/12/07/pattern-library-brown-bag/#comment-256109 Thanks so much for posting this. For other companies trying to implement a pattern library, this is a huge help. All the background info can really help people understand the governance issues behind the pattern library, especially for large companies. Thanks so much for posting this. For other companies trying to implement a pattern library, this is a huge help. All the background info can really help people understand the governance issues behind the pattern library, especially for large companies.

]]> By: Christian Crumlish http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/12/07/pattern-library-brown-bag/#comment-255547 Christian Crumlish Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:40:11 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/12/07/pattern-library-brown-bag/#comment-255547 Thanks for the feedback, Randy. I tried to make it clear in my intro what the discussion referred to and who it might interest. As I said, there are folks out there creating and managing their own pattern libraries who are hungry for insights into how we do it here. They are no doubt a small percentage of the web-developing public but I hear from them all the time. That said, I think your description of your expectations comprises an excellent wishlist of items I can try to address in the near future. Thanks again for the comment! Thanks for the feedback, Randy. I tried to make it clear in my intro what the discussion referred to and who it might interest. As I said, there are folks out there creating and managing their own pattern libraries who are hungry for insights into how we do it here. They are no doubt a small percentage of the web-developing public but I hear from them all the time.

That said, I think your description of your expectations comprises an excellent wishlist of items I can try to address in the near future.

Thanks again for the comment!

]]> By: Archos user http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/12/07/pattern-library-brown-bag/#comment-255235 Archos user Sun, 09 Dec 2007 12:13:54 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/12/07/pattern-library-brown-bag/#comment-255235 Is there a .m4v download available for this video? Is there a .m4v download available for this video?

]]> By: Randy Harmon http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/12/07/pattern-library-brown-bag/#comment-254780 Randy Harmon Sat, 08 Dec 2007 17:24:39 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/12/07/pattern-library-brown-bag/#comment-254780 As a recent former yahoo, I can see how this is a good video to distribute in Backyard. But on the public blog, I have to say that most of this is a waste of the public's time. If there were 2 minutes of content that would actually be useful for the public, I'd love to see that blogged here... but otherwise, you're doing yourself a negative favor by wasting 40 minutes of my time on stuff that is irrelevant to me. What did I expect? I'd like to have seen an overview of new or recently-updated patterns. Or an announcement about a newly-updated site for patterns, with the promotional material about how it's useful, where we'll see it being applied at Yahoo, that sorta thing. Okay, I'm out. Hope this helps! As a recent former yahoo, I can see how this is a good video to distribute in Backyard. But on the public blog, I have to say that most of this is a waste of the public’s time.

If there were 2 minutes of content that would actually be useful for the public, I’d love to see that blogged here… but otherwise, you’re doing yourself a negative favor by wasting 40 minutes of my time on stuff that is irrelevant to me.

What did I expect? I’d like to have seen an overview of new or recently-updated patterns. Or an announcement about a newly-updated site for patterns, with the promotional material about how it’s useful, where we’ll see it being applied at Yahoo, that sorta thing.

Okay, I’m out. Hope this helps!

]]> By: xian http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/12/07/pattern-library-brown-bag/#comment-254369 xian Sat, 08 Dec 2007 03:21:45 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/12/07/pattern-library-brown-bag/#comment-254369 Evan, I apologize if my tone offends you. That's actually the way I talk and was not intended to diminish or otherwise disparage the wonders of Ajax techniques or RIA's in general. In fact I put the quotation marks around enrich to signal that it was a play on the conept of rich interactions (perhaps I should have used an emphasis tag instead?) and similarly I qualified Ajax merely because our patterns are actually implementation-agnostic. I do appreciate the feedback and look forward to comments on the vid and not just on my introductory blurb. Evan, I apologize if my tone offends you. That’s actually the way I talk and was not intended to diminish or otherwise disparage the wonders of Ajax techniques or RIA’s in general.

In fact I put the quotation marks around enrich to signal that it was a play on the conept of rich interactions (perhaps I should have used an emphasis tag instead?) and similarly I qualified Ajax merely because our patterns are actually implementation-agnostic.

I do appreciate the feedback and look forward to comments on the vid and not just on my introductory blurb.

]]> By: Evan http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/12/07/pattern-library-brown-bag/#comment-254253 Evan Fri, 07 Dec 2007 22:53:52 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2007/12/07/pattern-library-brown-bag/#comment-254253 This probably sounds jerky, but this sentence rubs me the wrong way: "Developer Network website and Bill Scott “enriched” the library with tons of Ajax-y goodness, closely tied to the YUI Library." Why is the word <i>enriched</i> in scare quotes? It implies that you don't think the library was enriched at all, but perhaps that it was damaged by the addition of the YUI behaviors. And could Yahoo possibly start leading the charge to stop using the stupid term "Ajax-y goodness?" Aren't we mostly professional interaction designers around here? This childish phrase trivializes a transformative technology. You've got several developers at Yahoo doing astonishing work pushing web development forward, yet this kind of smirking term just makes it sound like it's something "cute" or "flashy" to sprinkle on top of the <i>real</i> stuff. This probably sounds jerky, but this sentence rubs me the wrong way: “Developer Network website and Bill Scott “enriched” the library with tons of Ajax-y goodness, closely tied to the YUI Library.”

Why is the word enriched in scare quotes? It implies that you don’t think the library was enriched at all, but perhaps that it was damaged by the addition of the YUI behaviors.

And could Yahoo possibly start leading the charge to stop using the stupid term “Ajax-y goodness?” Aren’t we mostly professional interaction designers around here? This childish phrase trivializes a transformative technology. You’ve got several developers at Yahoo doing astonishing work pushing web development forward, yet this kind of smirking term just makes it sound like it’s something “cute” or “flashy” to sprinkle on top of the real stuff.

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