Comments on: Empty Links and Screen Readers http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/01/23/empty-links/ News and Artilces about Designing and Developing with Yahoo! Libraries. Mon, 12 May 2008 08:27:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: SemanticCamp London « fberriman http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/01/23/empty-links/#comment-307814 SemanticCamp London « fberriman Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:15:46 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/01/23/empty-links/#comment-307814 [...] Clarified the uses of the include-pattern, via Mike Davies of Yahoo [...] […] Clarified the uses of the include-pattern, via Mike Davies of Yahoo […]

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By: Empty Links and Screen Readers - The Paciello Group Blog http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/01/23/empty-links/#comment-297700 Empty Links and Screen Readers - The Paciello Group Blog Mon, 04 Feb 2008 18:12:57 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/01/23/empty-links/#comment-297700 [...]  Empty Links and Screen Readers - Research into the potential accessibility barriers of links that contain no link text. [...] […]  Empty Links and Screen Readers - Research into the potential accessibility barriers of links that contain no link text. […]

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By: Mel Pedley http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/01/23/empty-links/#comment-292292 Mel Pedley Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:12:30 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/01/23/empty-links/#comment-292292 Thanks for this, Mike, It's good to have some initial solid data to backup what may have been previously just a theory (aka "gut instinct"). Just to follow on from pixeldiva's comments about hiding links offscreen. She mentions sighted non-screenreading users but some screen readers users can see very well. Some dyslexics use screen readers to support their comprehension of web pages. Given that this is a group that may be easily disorientated, I've always been a bit concerned that offscreen positioning of page content could create problems for these users as the screen reader output would no longer match the visual display. I'm not suggesting that offscreen positioning should be abandoned - merely that it should be used judiciously. More than a couple of instances on a page may well create barriers for this group. I think it's also worth remembering that only about 5% of those who are registered blind (in the UK) are thought to have no usable sight. With that in mind, it becomes harder to asses what extent (if any) individual visually-impaired screen reader users rely on the visual display. Again, any significant disparity between the visual display and the screen reader output <strong>could</strong> create confusion. In short, screen reader users aren't necessarily blind. They just have problems reading. :-) Thanks for this, Mike, It’s good to have some initial solid data to backup what may have been previously just a theory (aka “gut instinct”).

Just to follow on from pixeldiva’s comments about hiding links offscreen. She mentions sighted non-screenreading users but some screen readers users can see very well. Some dyslexics use screen readers to support their comprehension of web pages.

Given that this is a group that may be easily disorientated, I’ve always been a bit concerned that offscreen positioning of page content could create problems for these users as the screen reader output would no longer match the visual display. I’m not suggesting that offscreen positioning should be abandoned - merely that it should be used judiciously. More than a couple of instances on a page may well create barriers for this group.

I think it’s also worth remembering that only about 5% of those who are registered blind (in the UK) are thought to have no usable sight. With that in mind, it becomes harder to asses what extent (if any) individual visually-impaired screen reader users rely on the visual display. Again, any significant disparity between the visual display and the screen reader output could create confusion.

In short, screen reader users aren’t necessarily blind. They just have problems reading. :-)

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By: Richard Morton - QM Consulting Ltd http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/01/23/empty-links/#comment-292274 Richard Morton - QM Consulting Ltd Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:47:55 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/01/23/empty-links/#comment-292274 This is very interesting. Also useful to know that off-screen links (which I use on my own website) can cause problems for users of magnifying software. Jacks comment: "Any accessibility developers should ‘use’ it!" is good. Maybe I am naive but after becoming the law in 1999 that all websites should be accessible (in the UK) I would assume that all web developers take accessibility very seriously (removes tongue from cheek). This is very interesting. Also useful to know that off-screen links (which I use on my own website) can cause problems for users of magnifying software.

Jacks comment: “Any accessibility developers should ‘use’ it!” is good. Maybe I am naive but after becoming the law in 1999 that all websites should be accessible (in the UK) I would assume that all web developers take accessibility very seriously (removes tongue from cheek).

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By: Max Design - standards based web design, development and training » Some links for light reading (29/1/08) http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/01/23/empty-links/#comment-292255 Max Design - standards based web design, development and training » Some links for light reading (29/1/08) Tue, 29 Jan 2008 11:22:30 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/01/23/empty-links/#comment-292255 [...] Empty Links and Screen Readers [...] […] Empty Links and Screen Readers […]

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By: Guillaume’s blog » Blog Archive » Property vs. subject referencing and property inheritance in Microformats http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/01/23/empty-links/#comment-292086 Guillaume’s blog » Blog Archive » Property vs. subject referencing and property inheritance in Microformats Tue, 29 Jan 2008 07:00:20 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/01/23/empty-links/#comment-292086 [...] technique typically relies on one or more empty anchor (”a”) element(s), and as such has been criticized as not accessible for non graphical user agents such as screen readers, which get confused by these [...] […] technique typically relies on one or more empty anchor (”a”) element(s), and as such has been criticized as not accessible for non graphical user agents such as screen readers, which get confused by these […]

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By: Mike Davies http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/01/23/empty-links/#comment-291573 Mike Davies Mon, 28 Jan 2008 10:46:59 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/01/23/empty-links/#comment-291573 Hi Steve, I'm not sure whether its the screen reader that's figuring out what to display or the browser. I guess using a MSAA debugger/watcher will reveal which one is doing what. My explanation of the heuristics is based on the first table of test cases - JAWS7.10 and Internet Explorer 6, basically since I have the test results for a normal link, a titled empty link, and an empty link, I deduced what was going on based on the test results. Hi Steve,

I’m not sure whether its the screen reader that’s figuring out what to display or the browser. I guess using a MSAA debugger/watcher will reveal which one is doing what.

My explanation of the heuristics is based on the first table of test cases - JAWS7.10 and Internet Explorer 6, basically since I have the test results for a normal link, a titled empty link, and an empty link, I deduced what was going on based on the test results.

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By: goetsu http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/01/23/empty-links/#comment-290934 goetsu Sun, 27 Jan 2008 10:05:49 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/01/23/empty-links/#comment-290934 for information, i have run the test case with nvda : The absolute url is read every time except for the visibility hidden and display none links who are never announced, the title is read not read at all for information, i have run the test case with nvda :
The absolute url is read every time except for the visibility hidden and display none links who are never announced, the title is read not read at all

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By: links for 2008-01-26 « Simply… A User http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/01/23/empty-links/#comment-290190 links for 2008-01-26 « Simply… A User Sat, 26 Jan 2008 00:40:00 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/01/23/empty-links/#comment-290190 [...] Empty Links and Screen Readers » Yahoo! User Interface Blog (tags: accessibility screenreader microformats yahoo css html article links *) [...] […] Empty Links and Screen Readers » Yahoo! User Interface Blog (tags: accessibility screenreader microformats yahoo css html article links *) […]

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By: Jack http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/01/23/empty-links/#comment-290017 Jack Fri, 25 Jan 2008 19:27:51 +0000 http://yuiblog.com/blog/2008/01/23/empty-links/#comment-290017 Thanks for the research. Any accessibility developers should 'use' it! Thanks for the research. Any accessibility developers should ‘use’ it!

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